BMW motorcycle model, year and VIN errors
Showing BMW engine numbers, BMW frame numbers and the frame plate
VIN means what?
The legal description of a vehicle is often defined as the Vehicle Identification Number or VIN. When you hear someone say VIN number, that is redundant, repetitive, tautologous and pleonastic 🙂 In other words, if you say “VIN number” you sound stupid.
In the prewar days most models didn’t have matching numbers on the frame and engine. After the war they matched up, until about 1980 and they again didn’t match.
In California, 30 years ago, a model was whatever year the dealer said it was. Commonly a dealer had an “old” one and lied on the title to make it appear to be what he had told the customer. I have seen this happen with a 3 year error. One customer actually bought a 1974 R90/6 in 78 as a 77. Boy, was he mad when he found out.
We have seen the California DMV transfer ownership and mess it up by 20 years. I have seen several BMWs that didn’t even exist. That is, the VIN wasn’t in any number system. I have seen BMW mis-stamp the VIN with an extra digit or miss one. I have even seen them overstamp it and it looked “stolen.”
I owned a model that didn’t “exist.” The Germans weren’t allowed, by the post WWII occupation forces, to produce anything larger than 250cc,. They needed money, collected bits from the war rubble to make and sell them “under the table.” Joe Groeger owns it now, a post war 750 from 1950. It is a sport version of the military 750 cc engine.
I would trust the stamped frame number before a title. In California one can change engines all day long without changing the title. Not so with the frame, as the title must be modified. If your title is correct, consider it an accident. I am not implying that any government agency could make mistakes:-)
If a new engine was ordered out of the parts book as a spare part, it came with no serial number stamped into the case. Different countries had different procedures for documenting a replacement engine, so it was left unstamped.
Samples of a BMW motorcycle VIN
This is an example of the engine number of a /2. It is located on the right side of the engine and just above the cylinder. This photo shows the cylinder removed. See the BMW logo stamp on each side of the 6 digit number? I believe you should find that stamp on any factory engine from 1950 to 1970. If an owner had installed an engine as a spare part, it would come with that same place completely blank. Since 56 BMW has used only that font for the /2. If you see a different font, no logo or anything suspicious, I suggest that you be very careful. If you plan to show a bike I suggest having the numbers match and be correct. A judge will notice errors.
This is an example of the engine number of a /5. See the factory logo only on the end of the 7 digit number? The /6 also has the logo at the end of the serial numbers.
The VIN is in the lower right 1/3 of the photo, a close up is below.
Here it is close up. See the logo at the end of the 7 digit string? It is the same on the /6 and maybe later too.
This is the VIN on a R51/3 engine. The engine is basically the same as the /2, but the VIN is on the left side, not the right side. See both BMW logos stamped in? Photo courtesy of Darryl Richman, thanks.
This is the VIN on the frame of the same R51/3. It is on the left side of the bike and on the casting that holds the rear plunger spring. The thick paint is covering up the two BMW logos. This is the location of the post war bikes until the very last of the /3 production, when the frame number was moved up to the side of the steering head.
This is the removable aluminum VIN plate (BMW frame plate) that is attached to the steering head. It came on every BMW until the /5, which has a paper/plastic one. This one of from the sport model, the R68. The photo was “lifted” from the German R68 site, thanks. The number on the plate has no legal standing. Authorities need to see the stamped in VIN with the BMW logo on each side.
A superb example of a plate. Photo provided by Duncan Lloyd, thanks.
For an explanation of 1980 and later, go to snowbum’s site. http://home.jps.net/~snowbum/IDnumbrs.htm
For a list of VIN’s by model go to this site.
Click here for information on the BMW logo, or emblem.
Do you want to know the date that your BMW was built? Send the VIN to Andreas.Harz@partner.bmw.de and politely ask for information. He is a very nice man.