/5 BMW motorcycle muffler (Silencer, for the Brits) |
| Here are some of the sources for slash 5 mufflers. Some are /6
mufflers that will fit the /5. These are random comments from
riders around the world. I have edited for errors in spelling and
grammar. Don't forget that your BMW dealer has mufflers for about $720 a set, or so I am told. WORD OF WARNING!!!If you leave finger prints on your SS header pipes, then start the bike up, your pipes will turn a really crappy dull gray where ever you touched them. Make sure they are clean before they get hot. I just had to have mine cleaned. The guy I took them to couldn't figure it out, until I told him they were SS. Then he said, "Oh, you must have touched them and not cleaned them before you installed." Yep... Jim Overlander, made in Australia http://www.dropbears.com/o/overlander/bmw.htm
Photo from SteveD, thanks 1. I've heard a lot of complaints about Overlander stuff. The Overlander R27 header I tried this past year was so off it interfered with the frame. The header for my Ducati Mark-3 was just as bad. At least you live in Australia and can return stuff relatively cheaply. I lost over $100 in postage returning ill fitting parts. I would not recommend Overlander parts. ---Steve 2. I've had several sets of Overlander mufflers and header pipes over the years for /7's and have not had any problems with them. I also bought a complete system for my R60/2 a couple of years ago and am very happy with it. I did have a problem with the small kink in the headers not being large enough, so the mufflers would not raise enough to allow the muffler bolt to fit, but I sent them back, they were bent a little more and all was well. Staintune. made in Australia http://www.staintune.com.au/exhausts/bmw/index.htm
Photo lifted from their website 1. Nice welding work on the units. A quality item. They clean up pretty easy with a scouring pad and metal paste. Slightly louder than stock, looks like the original exhaust. Not sure about the weight difference from stock. The Staintunes are probably a bit lighter. Always loved them and its nice to have a permanent exhaust system that won't need replacement down the line. CAT 2. I had one of their exhausts on my Oilhead and found it to be a very well made product. It had a little baffle at the end that was removable for a little more sound. the official ' Just Pete' rating is: Two Thumbs up:) 3. I have Staintune sports on my mono. I got them brand new for free at work. There is no way I would pay that much for mufflers. I can and have done better myself. One of mine rattles. They have got very unsightly spot weld bumps all over the first cone. FunH 4. I bought the tailpipes for my Mono, then a year later the collector muffler. The fit was perfect, quality excellent, and finish literally brilliant. The products are expensive, but worth it IMO. Headers are next on the agenda. Sound is similar to stock, with a slight throatiness. At the time I got the pipes for AU$600 (but they were AU$900), the collector was AU$620, headers are presently $550 including crossover tube. Over here the comments when anyone sees a bike fitted with them is .....'Ah, Staintunes!!'. Bill. 5. I have 'em on my R100RS. They're a quality product, no doubt. They used to come as either sports or touring setup. The sport was much louder. I can't remember what mine cost, but it was around OZ$700, discounted from more than $900. The local club organized it. Steve 6. The Staintune parts I have used are very high quality with excellent fit and finish. Vince Epco, made in Germantown, PA http://www.epcostainless.com/mufflers.htm#2
Photo lifted from their website 1. Epco. US The EPCO mufflers are louder than stock, but not by much. Fit and finish on the mufflers seems quite good. The EPCO headers can be a little troublesome to install, but manageable. ---Steve 2. Epco got a bad reputation for poor fit and it was due to old tooling. It is felt that the new tooling makes a good product. They are less expensive than Kiehan that fits better. 3. My Epco mufflers are quieter than my stock mufflers, but that's not a fair comparison because one of my stock mufflers (the BMW replacement one) had holes rusted in it. They sounded awful and made the bike impossible to tune by ear. :-) Ed 4. I have the Epco mufflers on my 75/5. They have a deeper, more resonate tone than the stock ones. Probably a bit louder but not excessive. To my eye the smoother finish of the Epcos is more pleasing than all those seams on the stock mufflers. Native/5 5. I ordered a custom EPCO system for my Green Monster /2 conversion a few years ago. I gave them the type/year of engine and chassis, told them to build the system using Norton Peashooter shaped mufflers, and to make the system add some snarl to the sound to fit the bike's motif. A few weeks later, the box arrived. I fully expected to have to fiddle with the system to get it to fit properly. Nope. To my absolute amazement, the system fit with absolute precision with no need for any mods. The system looked fantastic too. I called Tom at Epco to thank him and commend him on his fine workmanship. I saw Tom at the MOA in Vermont this summer and thanked him again. Although the system costs a bit more than a stock chromed steel system, I highly recommend them. 6. I can recommend them. I have them on my R100/R65 hybrid. I think they sound great; just a bit louder than stock. 7. had Epco make a system to order. very pleased with the communication. and product. oh ... and it's CONSIDERABLY louder. 8. I have installed these systems: 1972 R75/5, no crossover, sport mufflers 1975 R75/6, single crossover, sport mufflers 1981 R100 RS, single crossover, "OEM" style 1990 R100 GS/PD, EPCO exhaust pipes, Staintune R100R "Y" pipe, D&D muffler I didn't have the fitment, quality or customer service problems that PAS had. I think there are too much negative posts based on his experience. Both the EPCO and Staintune have good thick wall tubing. V. 9, This is my experience. I hope the info is useful to others. These exhaust systems are expensive, in my case a bit over $1000 U.S. It all transpired in the winter, but it took some time to close my credit card and receive written verification that the account no longer existed. I was fortunate to have the advice of a senior partner in a top-notch U.S. law firm. There are two parts to this: product quality and customer service. The company involved is EPCO. I cannot comment on their other products or how other customers are treated. This is only MY experience and it only relates to the exhaust system for my 1987 R100RS Monoshock. This motorcycle is straight, undamaged, and had the original BMW system on it. PRODUCT: Right header pipe: Port end was slightly oval and too small. It could not be clamped in the exhaust port with either the old or new compression/clamp rings. It would just slide out. Left header pipe: When adjusted as far as possible (hard against the frame) its x-over pipe was 5/16" too low and about 3/4" forward of the left x-over. It was also pointing slightly down, i.e. not parallel to the other. Right muffler: No channel for the brake actuating rod (as per OEM). The rod was hard against the muffler and slightly bent. The flat area for the brake arm was at the wrong angle (compared to OEM) by about 19 degrees so the muffler would hit the brake arm under compression (verified with the shock removed). I tried orienting the muffler every possible way in the undamaged rear mount. Talk about DANGEROUS. CUSTOMER SERVICE: I haven't mentioned the H-pipe (replaces collector box) because I never received it, although I had paid for it. The package I received contained headers, mufflers, x-over clamp and 2 gaskets. NO H-pipe. I phoned immediately and was told that it was shipped the same time, same method, but separately because one parcel would be too big, and I should receive it shortly. Over the next few weeks I made numerous calls, left recorded messages, and spoke to 2 people who assured me that it would be checked into and someone would call me. It went on and my anxiety went up. They never once contacted me. About 7 weeks after the supposed shipment of the H-pipe I returned everything with a letter documenting the defects, my displeasure with their service, and demanded a refund. No refund, no call, no response at all. Armed with measurements, pictures and all pertinent documents I called Visa. Their dispute policy allows the merchant 30 days after the return before they take any action. After 30 days had passed I called them again and sent them the requested documentation. 3 days later I had a full credit to my account. Perhaps coincidence, perhaps Visa muscle. A week or so later I ordered Keihan components from Motobins. They arrived in less than 2 weeks, and were installed in 2 hours. Perfect fit, no gaskets, no leaks. The system performs well and looks great. Doug Supertrapp, made in USA http://www.supertrapp.com They don't seem to have BMW specific mufflers. Need a photo1. The exhaust pipes and mufflers I replaced on my 1990 R100 GS/PD were Supertrapp. The tubing is much thinner and lighter than the EPCO or Staintune. The pipes were not as highly polished as the others and they didn't heat-color evenly giving them a funny mottled appearance. The thin walled mufflers sounded great but the mounts were welded to the muffler without re-enforcement and caused the thin wall to crack several times. Vince 2. In line with Vince's experience, but on a more positive note. The Supertrapp is more of a genuine performance/track item. Although they have pretty welds, the surface finish makes no attempt to look as "pretty" as a stock or similar system. Supertrapps are LIGHT. This results in thinner tubing which may not be as long-lived on a high mileage machine. Supertrapps are tuneable. They give you a very wide range of exhaust tuning which can be very valuable on a track bike, AND it only takes ten - fifteen minutes to change from track to street-legal. This also allows you to choose exactly how much extra noise you get on the street, if any, so you can be as responsible or irresponsible as you like. Supertrapps have a unique appearance that makes it very easy to spot one on any vehicle: hotrod, bike, whatever. The stack of discs on the end that allows you to tune the exhaust (by varying the number of discs) makes them very distinguishable. They do not look anything at all like a stock exhaust or any other manufacturer's exhaust. Personally, I find the appearance very attractive on a cafe bike, but they look a bit too utilitarian for a stock bike. Kurt Mac, made in the USA http://www.macperformance.com/store/category.cfm?SID=3&Category_ID=951&CatLevel=top
1. Mac seems to be out of business. Factory made custom exhaust systems that would fit and work mostly without a need for rejetting. My bike had the MAC Wispertones. I got them used from IBMWR web site and they lasted 2 years. After I got them the rear baffle end part failed and no way to repair them. The chrome was good and they were loud, but not abusive. motorrun 2. Duane, As far as the MAC exhaust system goes, they're still in business. I keep a set in stock at the shop. I get them from Dixie, a wholesale only distributor. The problem in getting them; and what may make someone believe that they are out of business, is that they only make one run of BMW mufflers each year. So when I need them, I call Dixie and check their stock. If I'm having a bad day, they'll tell me that the mufflers are on back order and won't be in for a few months. So I call MAC and get the same story. Over all they are a good product, only requiring a little bit of nudging to fit up to the bike. Chrome is good and they last a long time. Retail price is also good compared to others out there. I haven't seen the J. C. Whitney mufflers. Or maybe I've seen them and didn't recognize them for what they were. But since I buy wholesale, it doesn't matter. Bruce 3. Don't know how many comments you have on Mac mufflers but I have a couple sets. The first is on the black '81 R100 I rode to the May rally. A little louder than stock but not obnoxious. They fit well and bolted up with no problems. I bought them used and have had them on the bike for over 1 year and no problems. The second set (also bought used) are on a 1980 R65. The only complaint I have with these is the fit over the headpipe is quite loose. I used a tailpipe expander on the ends of the headpipes to stretch 'em out a bit and that helped. I have heard some post that they rotted/rusted in a short period of time but I have not experienced this and so far am happy with them. I guess the only minus would be that the l/h side muffler has to come off to pull the rear axle... Regards, Justin B. 4. I bought these for my /5. I have only used them for about 200-300 miles, but I am pleased with the quality and appearance. My previous BMW mufflers were so rusted out that I cannot reasonably compare the sound to stock, but I would describe them as "very quiet". I generally buy all my parts from Hucky's, but I didn't want the Hoske's (everyone here said they were loud) and I didn't want to pay for SS. Brian (in Italy) Sito website USA firm Or, from Motobins in England
Photo of the /6 style lifted from their website
Photo of the /5 style by Phil Hitch, thanks 1. I bought a set of Sito mufflers from Motobins in the UK and I am very happy with them. The price (by the time I got them to Canada) was the same as MAC. 2. I had a pair of Sitos a few years back and felt like they were restrictive, but no technical data to support that seat of the pants impression. The Sitos are longer than the SWB /5 mufflers according to what I have read and been told. Thanks for your efforts on the muffler/silencer page. Carl 3. I put a set of Sitos on my RT about 3 years ago. They're attached to my Epco s/s headers. I paid $267 delivered from Motobins, but I sold my old (stock) mufflers on eBay for $110. Do the math, I think I got a deal. I'm very pleased with the fit & finish of the Sitos, and they sound & look exactly like the stock mufflers. I have absolutely nothing negative to say about them. Scot 4. I purchased a set of the /6 style Sito's from Motobins in Spring, 2006. Although they offer the 'cigar-end' mufflers as well, I went with the /6 style, which I like. This style is also cheaper. Both sets are overly long for the /5 swb, compared to the factory Zuena's. The cut out area for the rear axle and brake pedal arm are extra long to accommodate either wheelbase. I don't recall exactly what I paid ( and the price has gone up a bit, since then), but even with approximately $50. shipping to Pa., the total cost easily beat about any other US supplier ( with the exception of the EMGO / JC whitney model). Postal time was about a week . The construction is non-stainless steel with a high quality chrome finish. They have exposed welds, like the original style. The are considerably heavier than the factory originals. No problem with fit. Mounting brackets come attached. The sound is a bit louder than stock, most noticeably at idle with a pop-pop-pop sound. I kind of like the extra length, but someone else may not agree. I am using Mikuni VM32's, which were running slightly rich throughout the range. After installing the Sito's it brought the carbs' middle to upper range into perfection. I had to richen up the idle a tad. I may have to mess with the main jetting a bit as it seems to bog a bit on WOT. I only mention this, because someone may find a slight change needed to carb set up. I thought I noticed a slight performance gain. There is a tasteful marking of " Sito" near the ends, which is only noticeable if you are quite close. FWIW, they come with certificates for approved use for several European countries. 5, I've had the Sito mufflers on my /5 since the spring of 2002. I'm still very happy with them. The chrome is still in great shape, and they are structurally as good as new. As a matter of fact, I was just cleaning the "winter grime" off my bike last weekend and thougth to myself how good the mufflers are still looking. Phil 6. I put Sitos on my bike a couple years ago. So far, so good. I'm pleased with 'em. Scot Keihan, made in the UK http://www.keihan.co.uk/ They make mufflers for many models.
The Keihan /5 muffler (silencer) Photo lifted from their website 1. FYI You probably know this but Keihan makes the cigar end /5 mufflers as well. These are stainless steel so they don't have the smooth shiny chrome appearance a stock BMW set would have. I just got a set from Hucky's. Expensive at ~ $550 to the door. Cheaper than stock ones though. The mounting brackets are extra at $30 a pair! Those are included in the $550 as well is shipping. They look like the originals and are shorter than the Sitos. Carl 2. I have to disagree with Josh. I have Keihan systems fitted to three airheads. The fit is perfect, the finish is good and (unless you manage to get a set of specials) the note and tuning is as stock. The only slight criticism I have is that the rear of the 'Mono' silencers isn't quite the same shape... but that really is nit picking! On the plus side, the header to balance pipe clamps are substantial Stainless items, not like the bodged on lugs on the stock headers Yes, they discolour... all stainless steel pipes do but the old set I have for spare still cleans up like new with Sovol... I really think they are as good as any on the market and considerable better than stock. Rob 3. Total crap. Got mine from Motobins. Don't buy them. I can't wait for mine to wear out and warrant replacing. I bought a seat of Stainless Keihan header pipes and mufflers from Motobins a few years ago. I put them on my fully restored 77 R100s. How can I put this nicely...?.... Total crap! Waste of money. Mine don't clean up. period. honestly, I think I got a bum set. Josh JC Whitney, made in the USA?? See below. They have a BMW looking muffler that will bolt on and is very cheap.
Photo by Valkernaut, thanks 1. The JC Whitney I've seen are a copy of the /6 and /7 type. In fact they are closer to the 40mm Exhaust. They send it with a adapter to make it 38mm and look and sound almost like a stock BMW. 2. I've had a set of JCW mufflers on my / 7 the past four to five years. When I first put them on, they sounded a bit more throatyier than stock. Chrome still holding up alright, but is showing a bit of surface rust at welded spots. Looks like they should last several more years. I'd buy them again. Randy 3. The left one is made with a 4" dimple for removing the axle on both the SWB and LWB models. They are made by EMGO Asia. I have these Emgo mufflers. The fit is pretty good. I got all the mounting holes to line up without issue. The biggest difficulty is getting the spacer and muffler around the header tubes - what I ended up doing, is sliding the spacer 1/2 way out of the muffler and spreading it around the header pipe, and used a rubber mallet on the end of the muffler to push everything together. Assorted comments from Boxerworks forum. JIM CRAY. UK designed Cray Engineering Tel/Fax: 01795 431444
1. Performance pipe , made by Keihan. Recommended by Charles Newall. About $40 more expensive than Keihan's 2. I picked up a set for an R100 project I'm working on. (Had to have a friend in England get them for me because I couldn't seem to get Jim motivated to send me a set here in the States.) Don't know if Jim makes them or has Kiehan make them for him, but they are beautiful! They look like stock but are stainless. Made for 40mm headers, but come with reducers for 38mm headers. The muffler baffle is a larger diameter than stock and is straight through. He claims a substantial performance gain with proper jetting, but I can't confirm as I haven't put them on anything yet. With the current exchange rate, they were EXPENSIVE. Chuck S. 3. Jim Cray is a long time Boxer tuner who works out of Kent in the UK. He is one of the few that I would trust (from reputation) with things Boxer. He commissioned the silencers from Keihan. They are outwardly nearly identical to the standard Keihan stainless silencers but have different baffles to improve gas flow. The only visible difference is that the hole in the end is bigger. As far as I know they are only available through Jim Cray. Although Jim is the dogs danglies when it comes to Boxers, he is a bit of a Luddite when it comes to other things so he has no website and does not do Email. contact has to be by snailmail, landline or in person. (It says something for his reputation that he is still able to operate this way...) Rob 4. Jim Cray had always being talking about getting some sets of 'sports silencers' made up ever since he did the first stage tuning work on my bike. A couple of years later I decided to do for the replica r90s route to include 40mm pipes, Dellortos and some sports silencers. I asked Jim about 'progress' on the silencers. He said that he was looking for some certain orders to make it worthwhile to get some sets designed and made up by Keihans. I put the word out via the Motobins forum, Jim got some orders and the silencers were made. They look almost stock, sound like a british twin on goldstar type silencers, and are a straight through design. The silencer is stainless and looks new 3 years on. You can see a before and after dyno chart based on a twin plugged r100/7 and a photo of the silencer outlet here on my photobucket account. They're also pictures of the various parts involved in the changes to my engine and a before and after dyno chart of the Jim Cray stage 1 tune, which consists of gas flow, twin plug, K&N filter and changes to the airbox. Take a look at the torque curve. http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f146/chasbmw/?start=20 Charles 5. Located in the Industrial wastelands of Sittingbourne lies hidden a genius of engineering by the name of Jim Cray. I stress the emphasis on engineering, Jim won't thank me for adding to his workload with routine servicing, especially as he is back to just himself full-time and a P/T technician/apprentice. Jim's workshop is generally full of rebuilds, renovations and his preferred favourite pastime road & race performance tuning jobs. If you want your airhead to fulfill more of its potential, then Jim's the man. My PD had his Stage 1 Engine Tuning Package done by Jim and he has also in my period of ownership rebuilt the gearbox, rebuilt the front suspension in addition to routine servicing. His knowledge is vast, and all his work is repeat business, word of mouth. A good supporter of the club he opened the doors of his workshop to us and is always willing to offer his advice and knowledge. Rob Note from Duane. My guess is that if you want the best, are willing to pay and wait, then Jim is your man. Slowly get to know him and live within his preferences. If he requests, I will remove these comments about his products. Armours, http://www.armoursltd.co.uk/ I requested information and got this. Hello, We do manufacture stainless steel exhaust systems for most pre 1985 BMW motorcycles, please send details for a quotation. sales@armoursltd.co.uk Rabenbauer, Germany.
They also make many BMW motorcycle tools. These mufflers are the closest thing you will ever find to a real Hoske pipe. They come in 38mm and 40mm sizes and have a removable baffle. They are an exact replica of a Hoske, as I have a real Hoske to match it up against. They are EXPENSIVE (~450 Euros) and they will NOT sell to the US, so if you want a set, you have to know someone in Europe who will buy them and ship them to you. But they are WORTH IT! Phil Hucky's Spare Parts is reported to have Hoske mufflers and Stainless Steel mufflers for the /5 with the original looking seams and welds. 1. I have Hoske repros from Hucky on my /6. Not nearly as loud as yer average obnoxious cruiser pipes, but a good deal louder than stock. Any louder and I'd feel guilty and antisocial. They do sound nice, but the next exhaust I buy will be SS and not louder than stock. Finish is pretty good; no corrosion after 2+ years, only heat discoloration. Warland Your comments wanted I just replaced the Epco silencers on my '70 R75/5 with a set of Keihan silencers. After comparing my restored '70 R75/5 with my original '72 R75/5, I was somewhat annoyed to discover that the Epco silencers are a little longer than stock, such that they stuck out past the rear wheel on a SWB bike. Some comparisons. . . . The Keihan silencers look almost identical to OEM silencers. The Epco silencers don't have quite the same shape as originals, and lack seams. That being said, the Epco silencers look a little more streamlined and might appeal to those who aren't sticklers for original looks. The Epco silencers sit a little outboard on each side and up compared to the Keihan silencers. Fit and finish on both products is very good. At current exchange rates, the made in the UK Keihan silencers are a bit more expensive than the made in the U.S. Epco silencers. My Epcos are going to a fellow with a '73 LWB R75/5. I think the slightly longer length doesn't stand out as much on the LWB bikes. Steve Crocker |
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